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NY:Group: Smoking ban hurts business
nnnewsday.com ^ | 6-9-04 | MARK JOHNSON

Posted on 06/09/2004 11:42:30 AM PDT by SheLion

ALBANY, N.Y. -- Groups representing New York state bar owners contend the statewide smoking ban has cost their industry about 2,000 jobs.

A study released Tuesday by the New York Nightlife Association and the Empire State Restaurant and Tavern Association said the ban that went into effect in July has also led to $28.5 million in lost wages and $37 million in lost gross state product. Affiliated businesses lost another 650 jobs and $56 million in wages and production, the study by Ridgewood Economic Associates said.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; US: New York
KEYWORDS: antismokers; bans; butts; cigarettes; individualliberty; lawmakers; maine; niconazis; professional; prohibitionists; pufflist; smokingbans; taxes; tobacco
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The loss of revenue is starting to show up. And the anti's said the business's would not lose money. Just ask any business owner and they will tell you the truth.

THE FACTS
the facts

1 posted on 06/09/2004 11:42:33 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: *puff_list; Just another Joe; Great Dane; Madame Dufarge; Gabz; MeeknMing; steve50; KS Flyover; ...

2 posted on 06/09/2004 11:44:18 AM PDT by SheLion (Don Imus is voting for FnKerry!)
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To: SheLion

IN OTHER NEWS: SUN RISES IN EAST.


3 posted on 06/09/2004 11:45:49 AM PDT by JackDanielsOldNo7 (On guard until the seal is broken)
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To: SheLion

Facts? Facts? What the hell do facts have to do with anything these days?

Nothing! (sarcasm off)


4 posted on 06/09/2004 11:52:30 AM PDT by Mears
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To: SheLion

Thanks, Miss Lion. I'm sending this link to an obnoxiously anti-smoking pal of mine, but it still won't do any good.


5 posted on 06/09/2004 11:54:17 AM PDT by Argh
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To: Mears

And you can see for yourself that judith is lying again, twisting my words when she can perfectly well see for herself yada yada. Furthermore, anyone who smokes is undereducated and lower class, has no couth or culture, and is trying to poison their and everyone else's kids. Statistics show blah blah blah. /you know who.


6 posted on 06/09/2004 11:55:21 AM PDT by Judith Anne (HOW ARE WE EVER GOING TO CLEAN UP ALL THIS MESS?)
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To: SheLion

I'm glad this is getting out. Those do gooder dummies don't think about economic damage of their policies.


7 posted on 06/09/2004 11:59:36 AM PDT by Sunshine Sister
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Facts? Facts? What the hell do facts have to do with anything these days?

Dave, who is compiling The Facts has worked very hard on this.

8 posted on 06/09/2004 12:00:32 PM PDT by SheLion (Don Imus is voting for FnKerry!)
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Thanks, Miss Lion. I'm sending this link to an obnoxiously anti-smoking pal of mine, but it still won't do any good.

It probably won't, since they all have blinders on. But maybe it will hit home at some point in their lives.

For instance: their favorite hang-out closes due to the loss of revenue. They want no smoking, but I wonder how they will feel when their favorite place goes belly up!

9 posted on 06/09/2004 12:02:11 PM PDT by SheLion (Don Imus is voting for FnKerry!)
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To: Sunshine Sister
I'm glad this is getting out. Those do gooder dummies don't think about economic damage of their policies.

I've got a whole page at Forces Maine of the business's that have gone out of business since 1999. When you have time, take a peek:

Smoking Bans Bad For Business

10 posted on 06/09/2004 12:06:44 PM PDT by SheLion (Don Imus is voting for FnKerry!)
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I was joshing. I haven't seen an anti poster yet who cared about facts unless they were facts that proved their theory,which is,"Smoking is the cause of all diseases known to man".


11 posted on 06/09/2004 12:08:23 PM PDT by Mears
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To: Mears
I was joshing. I haven't seen an anti poster yet who cared about facts unless they were facts that proved their theory,which is,"Smoking is the cause of all diseases known to man".

Oh I know what you mean!! And half of the locals in here won't even bother to click on the links. You can lead a horse to water but...............hehe! You know what I mean!

12 posted on 06/09/2004 12:09:47 PM PDT by SheLion (Don Imus is voting for FnKerry!)
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I thought Ronald Reagan caused all diseases known to man. Or if not him, Dubya. I wish these weenies would get their stories straight...


13 posted on 06/09/2004 12:12:03 PM PDT by Argh
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To: yall


14 posted on 06/09/2004 12:14:36 PM PDT by MeekOneGOP (There is ONLY ONE good Democrat: one that has just been voted OUT of POWER ! Straight ticket GOP!)
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Well, where ARE all the non-smoking customers that haven't been able to go out in public places because of SMOKERS!? Non-smokers STILL staying home??? (Whiners.)


15 posted on 06/09/2004 12:19:11 PM PDT by the Deejay (Not to be confused with a "man", I am a "lady.")
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I've seen first hand restaurants who have had a massive growth in business by the smoking ban. Why? After their meals, smokers tend to chit chat while smoking, loitering an extra half hour at the table while spending nothing. With the ban, the turnover has doubled, the wait for tables is cut in half, and revenues are way up.


16 posted on 06/09/2004 12:25:38 PM PDT by T. Jefferson
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I went out with a smoking friend for lunch today, in one of the few nice restaurants that still have smoking.We figured we'd go once or twice more before the state ban comes into effect.

We usually go with a group of five or six and go to non-smoking restaurants but we decided to have our own little smoker lunch.

Six months from now there probably will be a few more restaurants and bars to add to Dave's list.

Sad,but I'll have more money in my pocket.


17 posted on 06/09/2004 12:26:31 PM PDT by Mears
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To: the Deejay

The main cause of death.....Living!!


18 posted on 06/09/2004 12:26:35 PM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: SheLion

The state ban outlaws smoking in restaurants and bars, Off-Track Betting parlors, bowling alleys and pool halls, company cars, enclosed parking lots and outdoors around the entrances to public buildings.


This is another little part of that article. COMPANY CARS?!!! Yeah that will be the day since RJR funishes my company car!! I have never seen such levels of paranoia, and that is all it is. No wonder Al-Quida figures they have us....shoot....people are scared to death of a little smoke. Think what they will do over something REALLY major.


19 posted on 06/09/2004 1:30:58 PM PDT by BriarBey
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Well, where ARE all the non-smoking customers that haven't been able to go out in public places because of SMOKERS!? Non-smokers STILL staying home??? (Whiners.)

Surely you didn't believe that garbage put out by the professional anti's, did you? Non-smokers aren't going out any more or less then they did before. And it's a pity, because they were supposed to hold up the revenue from the smokers not going. :(

20 posted on 06/09/2004 2:18:45 PM PDT by SheLion (Don Imus is voting for FnKerry!)
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